Lost: “Nice to meet you.”

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Looks like we have a new mystery on our hands.

That and so much more after the jump….

Okay, the question is …. “Whose mother is the girl with the gun?”

She was called Ellie, so the first logical guess is Eloise Hawkins, who most people seem to think is Daniel Faraday’s mother.

Does that also make her Charlotte’s mother, if Daniel and Charlotte are sibilings? (and if they are, let’s hope there is no “Luke and Leia” creepy kiss.)

But there are other possibilities to be sure.

Penelope? We know now that Charles Widmore was there on the island in 1954 … and an Other?

The girl in the coma? Could be.

Claire? We saw Claire’s mother in 2004, but maybe she could have done some time-travelling?

With this show, of course, just about anything is possible.

As for the rest of the episode…

* Baby Charlie. Apparently born in the Phillipines a few years ago, when Penny and Desmond were hiding from Charles Widmore. And don’t you think he could have had Desmond followed when he went back to the boat?

* Speaking of the baby, is he named after Driveshaft Charlie? Or maybe evil daddy Charles?

* Miles’ ghost-whispering talents really paid off in this episode.

* Just how many redshirts are left now? Can’t be too many, except for the ones with the Others at the temple.

* I will never get tired of Richard Alpert appearing unexpectedly. I hope they have signed him to a long-term contract. Imagine if CANE was still on the air. What would the show’s producers have done?

* Faraday’s long-time benefactor is Widmore. Not really a surprise, but does call Faraday’s good-guy status into question.

* Are Lost fanatics now going to start learning Latin? So much for it being a dead language.

* “Jughead” had nothing to do with the ARCHIE comics character. Hooray. Lots of concrete, you say? Could that be what was buried under the hatch? And did pressing the button keep the bomb from going BOOM?

* Oh, Charlotte. That’s not good. That’s a Minkowski-sized nose bleed.

* Wasn’t this a great episode, with no Jack, Kate, Hurley or even Ben? A nice refreshing change.

Next week: Things heat up for the Oceanic Six.

Noon Update: Picked this up on morning Web browsing. From Wiki:

Castle Bravo was the code name given to the first U.S. test of a so-called dry fuel thermonuclear hydrogen bomb device, detonated on March 1, 1954, at Bikini Atoll, Marshall Islands, by the United States, as the first test of Operation Castle (a longer series of tests of various devices). Fallout from the detonation—intended to be a secret test—poisoned the islanders who inhabited the test site, as well as the crew of Daigo Fukuryū Maru (”Lucky Dragon No. 5″), a Japanese fishing boat, and created international concern about atmospheric thermonuclear testing.

Also, now we have to ask: how many of the OTHERS besides Richard are “immortal”?

Comments

  1. A very important episode. Twists and turns that will play an important role in the future. So far so good, I am not disappointed with the new season. Richard Alpert is my favorite character, there is so much mystery around the character. Suddenly Susan is fading from my memory. Luis Rivera be gone.

  2. Tommy Raiko says:

    > Richard Alpert is my favorite character… Suddenly Susan is fading from my
    >memory. Luis Rivera be gone.

    OK, but only as long as we can agree to never forget Nestor Carbanell’s turn on the live-action TICK show.

    “I am…Bat-Manuel!”

  3. Yes, with the cancellation of Cane, Lost locked Carbonell up through the end of the show.

  4. I am so glad they are putting all the pieces together. For a long time I thought they were making this stuff up as they went along.

  5. Szymyzyr says:

    In an episode that featured a Mobius strip time loop (the compass Locke gives Richard, which Richard gave Locke…), you’ve got a grandson named Charlie of a character named Charles. And he’s got black hair. Same as the young Charles. I’m just sayin’.

  6. We’re going to see that bomb again, I just know it.

    Widmore in 1954, that was a good one. :)

  7. Mark Coale says:

    great bit I just on the WAPO recap.

    Could Faraday have been the one that added all the extra equations on the blast door drawing?

  8. Some guy says:

    Way to spoil the episode for anyone who isn’t American. I read half of this thinking it was about the show I watched on Sunday in the UK. Congrats and thanks again.

  9. Mark Parsons says:

    Wait, “Some Guy,” you’re bitching because you read HALF of this piece without realizing it did not correspond to the last ep you saw? Maybe you better take a break from watching tv: it seems to have addled your brain. Try paying attention?

  10. Some other guy says:

    Way to spoil the episode for anyone who isn’t on Earth-1. I read half of this thinking it was about the show I watched on Sunday on Earth-12. Congrats and thanks again.

  11. A good episode, even though I simply cannot keep track of everyone and everything at this point.

    I find myself really paying attention whenever Hurley and/or Sawyer is on screen. I get some popcorn when Jack appears. It’s time to make us care about Jack again… somehow I lost that feeling. I’m ready for them to get back on that island and see some action.

  12. mark coale says:

    As I”ve said many times before, for me, I could do without seeing jack or kate or even sawyer again.

    I’m much more in the camp that want to see locke, ben, desmond, juliet and now faraday.

  13. Randy Lander says:

    She was called Ellie, so the first logical guess is Eloise Hawkins, who most people seem to think is Daniel Faraday’s mother.

    The girl in the coma? Could be.

    I believe you can make the strongest case for one of these, and I’d argue the latter.

    When Faraday is going out to the bomb with Ellie, he looks at her and says something like “You look like someone I knew” or something along those lines, and there’s a wistfulness, and maybe a bit of shame, in the way he says it that makes me think he recognized (maybe subconsciously, maybe fully, as he’s a smart guy) the young version of the girl that he’d eventually consign to a coma.

    Or he recognized that she looked like pictures he’d seen of dear old mum.

    Just speculatin’ here, I don’t have any hard info or anything.

  14. Wasn’t this a great episode, with no Jack, Kate, Hurley or even Ben? A nice refreshing change.

    Abso-fragging-lutely. Actually I like Hurley, but the less Jack the better.

    On the other hand, spent the whole episode wondering how big a refrigerator they have back at Lost HQ. Hey, let’s focus on Desmond and Faraday (not a bad thing IMO) and not-too-subtly threaten the audience with Penny and Charlotte dying!

  15. Some guy says:

    Actually it was probably more like a THIRD. Been time-travelling too much, evidently. Now “Mark Parsons”, you will be my constant, and the addling of my brain may be arrested, perhaps even reversed. PAY ATTENTION GODDAMMIT?

  16. the theory that baby charlie is baby charles widmore freaks me out/bothers me. i just don’t want that to be true, but from a “holy shit” perspective, i’m into it.

  17. The Beat says:

    This episode was a great LOST episode — lots of revelations and twists in the mythology — but not a great TV episode. Desmond had everything set up for him — he just HAPPENS to find a friendly janitor who tells him everything, and just HAPPENS to find the woman invalid at feeding time, and just HAPPENS to waltz into Widmore’s office and Widmore just HAPPENS to tell him everything he needs to know. This after we set up Penny telling Des that the one one ONE ONE ONE thing he MUST NOT DO IS LET WIDMORE KNOW HE’S IN BRITAIN!

    Talk about no payoff! Dramatically this was a slack, set-up episode.

    However, all that was more than made up for by the fact that the was the Hottest Desmond Episode EVER! There was racing, shirt-unbuttoned Desmond in the beginning, and super-sleuth unshaven sunglasses Desmond in the middle, and even dreamy cuddling with Penny Desmond at the end. HOT HOT HOT HOT HOT DESMOND! A dream come true no matter what the time period.

  18. why can’t he just wear a t-shirt? i guess it’s the same reason cutty can’t wear a turtleneck on “house.”

  19. The Beat says:

    RE the charlie thing…I think Darlton is just teasing a a riff on the “I’m my own grandpa” thing.

  20. man, i hope you’re right about the possible grandpa loop. but, at the same time, it would be pretty crazy.

    also, i agree that a lot of the stuff that happened felt kind of unearned, especially the whole janitor thing. because of how awesome and pitch perfect other seasons have been, it’s difficult when lost isn’t clever (or *too* clever). i’ve liked the main beats of the season so far, but some of the actual dialogue has sounded a lot more leaden to me than in previous seasons. i’m thinking of the whole thing marvin halliwax, strangely specific speech to some working guy who could probably give a rat’s assabout how “this island has an incredibly powerful power! you can’t travel through time! there are RULES!”

  21. Mark Coale says:

    Wow. SOmething I completely forgot until reading it just now.

    Faraday’s rat is named Eloise.

  22. The whole thing was ruined for me by countless showings of the Electrolux commercial with the creepy botoxed mom! And, hey, wasn’t that Walt in a cookie ad? What the hell does that mean?

  23. “* “Jughead” had nothing to do with the ARCHIE comics character. Hooray. ”

    Wait-a-minute, that line was from the episode of LIFE ON MARS not LOST.

    BTW, great programming ABC! I think the US version of LIFE ON MARS is a great companion piece to LOST. I solid two hour block.

  24. Dave Hackett says:

    “This episode was a great LOST episode — lots of revelations and twists in the mythology — but not a great TV episode. Desmond had everything set up for him — he just HAPPENS to find a friendly janitor who tells him everything, and just HAPPENS to find the woman invalid at feeding time, and just HAPPENS to waltz into Widmore’s office and Widmore just HAPPENS to tell him everything he needs to know. This after we set up Penny telling Des that the one one ONE ONE ONE thing he MUST NOT DO IS LET WIDMORE KNOW HE’S IN BRITAIN!”

    But we’ve seen pre-determined fates in the show before (ESPECIALLY with Desmond). Maybe it’s not so much sloppy co-incidences as it’s forces moving Desmond to where he needs to be (L.A.). Once or twice would be sloppy writing, but with so many, I suspect the Universe is “Course Correcting” again.

  25. This was a pretty cool episode. Lots of Daniel and he really showed that he could be a player with keeping things close to the vest. He seemed pretty well in charge until he blabbed to Ellie. The first thing that I thought was that Ellie is the child of someone he knew. Not necessarily his, as I don’t think Lost would’ve went that route on us, but someone important.

  26. So after this week’s episodes, the guesses are:

    • Ellie (gun toting Other) and Widmore are Faraday’s parents. They left the island when Ellie was pregnant so the child could be born but couldn’t find their way back.

    • Eloise Hawkins is an older Ellie.

    • Could Charlie (Desmond & Penny’s baby) be Driveshaft Charlie? (thanks to a lotta time travel stuff)

    • Jughead (the bomb) was buried under the Swan and programming the numbers kept it from exploding- But when Desmond turned the key he stopped it completlry.

    • 1954 Widmore was wearing a captured/killed soldier uniform with the name “Jones” on it. The name of the episode and bomb was “Jughead”. From Archie comics, his complete name was Jughead Jones.

  27. I can’t keep track of who was suggesting that the woman in the coma was somehow related to Faraday or his mum, but since her name’s given as “Teresa Spencer,” at this time I’m going to guess that she *could* be nothing but a Redshirt; some student on whom Faraday conducts his time-experiment (thus making her regress in time and talk to her dead da). So far her main purpose has been to signify Widmore’s early involvement in Faraday’s experiment, so she may be nothing more than that.

  28. Charlie is Charlie! (back me up, Richard J)

    The H-Bomb is buried under the Swan, and Desmond’s button pushing every 108 minutes was creating some sort of controlled time loop to contain the detonation of the H-Bomb. When the fail safe went off, the H-Bomb explosion, which will destroy the island and possible the entire space/time continuum, was sent off into either the distant future or distant past. That explosion will either be the catalyst for the crazy powers of the island (if it happened in the past) or it will be the big terrible event the time police are trying so desperately to prevent (if the blast was sent into the future).

    Des and Penny will eventually get to the island again with lil’ Charlie and get separated from him (or adandon him intentionally to save him from their fate), leaving him to be raised by the Pace family. And course correction and time travelling sickness will take care of any stray memories that would have made Charlie or Desmond remember each other when they meet again in their future-past.

    Brain… bleeding… now.

  29. Brian Spence says:

    How can Ellie and Widmore be Faraday’s mom and dad? Why would Ellie and Ben be friends, if she was with Charles Widmore? Ben and Widmore hate each other. I’m sure we haven’t heard the last there.

    Why didn’t the bomb kill everyone when the hatch blew up? I can’t believe that just turning a key would prevent the bomb from exploding when the hatch blew up. Maybe turning the key moved it through time?? Also, we know that radiation can hurt people on the island, as we saw with the guy who had the rad burns. So if the bomb did blow up, I think everyone would be dead.

    I like to think that baby Charlie is just a new character, not a character we’ve met.

    This was a great episode. I hope there won’t be too much more time travel though, that’s a sure way to lose your audience.

  30. Well, the swan had a significant magnetic field contained within it, which either negates the H-bomb if the magnetism was the force, or reinforces the bomb needing to be buried beneath the swan theory. The most current time-travel theory I’ve heard portends that if you generate a sufficiently large magnetic field you can distort the gravitational constant, then pass light through the field.

    The limitation of this method is that you can only go back as far as when the machine was turned on (there is a This American Life about it, and the movie Primer is also similar), so the further back you could send the bomb (or its explosion) would be the moment between when The “Young Widmore” Others built the station and the beginning of the Dharma initiative, but I can’t see how those two mesh up (unless The Others are actually the founders of the DI).

  31. Re: the scenario of relating the bomb to the countdown-device:

    I think the rhetoric given to Desmond and others was that pushing the button saved the whole world, not just the island.

  32. I think Eloise’s last name is Hawking, as in Stephen Hawking. In keeping with the “famous scientist last names” thing. Like Faraday.

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